![]() ![]() There was no excuse for the Saul fight though. Loken I can see getting blinded sided by as he did not expect Loken, or anyone, to start brawling and punching in the middle of a sword fight as throwing fist doesn't really suit the Emperor's Childrens ideals of 'perfection', so I don't think he was prepared for a Lunar Wolf to start punching. odd ability, hubris really makes him sloppy. If that makes any sense I understand completely. Meaning while he is probably a more skillful fighter than Kharn, he isn't actually a better one. Lucius seems to have the skill but lack the common sense/will to actually use it. Granted it could be he's fallen victim to what I refer to as "Wolverine-syndrome" ie: because he knows he can't die he doesn't fight to the best of his ability as it honestly doesn't matter to him if he wins or not. Its also worth noting that Lucius's troll "you kill me and i'll kill you" ability has been confirmed to have happened at the very least twice meaning he has lost 1v1 duals at least that amount of times. It seems odd that such a skilled swordsman would allow himself to be dragged into this type of fight especially with the hype surrounding his swordplay ability. While I agree the cirmustances of the fights ie: dragging Lucius into a brawl were favoring the opponents. Oddly enough, Lucius did not learn from this as Saul Tarvitz (He was easily one of my favorite space marines in the Horus Heresy) was able to drag Lucius into a brawl and beat the snot out of him despite being a vastly inferior swordsmen. On the other hand, without Eldrad, the Eldar are going to have trouble preforming their 'Just as In all fairness, Loken knew he couldn't stand against Lucius in a spar and last more then a few seconds, unless Lucius decided to play, so he socked him in the face and pulled Lucius into a brawl where he held the advantage. ![]() A large part of me wants him to stay dead that way we can get some new awesome characters for the Eldar like maybe they could bring in another Phoenix Lord into the Tabletop or another Farseer, just whatever as I would love to see the story line advance a little even if it is just us getting to see more characters. I would not say he is the greatest close combat space marine as that is probably Dante (Skarbrand derpiness) of the Blood Angels or Logan Grimnar of the Space In all fairness, Loken knew he couldn't stand against Lucius in a spar and last more then a few seconds, unless Lucius decided to play, so he socked him in the face and pulled Lucius into a brawl where he held the advantage. Keep in mind that Azrael, the Dark Angels Chapter Master, is one of the greatest swordsmen of the loyalist Space Marines, and he didn't do that hot. Kharn has never lost a Kharn has never lost a duel besides the sparing match that Strider covered. Vs Kersai (Grey Knight Terminator Jusitcar): Kharn punched his head off.lolĪs I said feats-wise Kharn is actually a better dualist than Lucius who beat Erebus in a decent fight (whereas Kharn stomped him) and lost to Loken (who Kharn beat and was about to kill).Vs Azrael (Dark Angels Chapter Master): Azrael initally put up a decent fight (but only landed 2 hits) before Kharn got angry and speed-blizted him forcing the Chapter Master to fun for his life.Vs Tarrogar (Terminator Lord): Kharn again pretty much dominated as the Lord didn't even land a hit before Kharn used his bare hands to tear the terminator armor off.Vs Flesh Tearer: Kharn absolutely dominated him.Vs Sigismund: The proper fight between Kharn and his pupil ended with Kharn killing him.Vs Erebus: Don't recall the ins and outs of the fight but a pissed off Kharn absolutely wrecked Erebus IIRC.Vs Loken: Kharn beat him and was about to kill him when a Landraider crashed into him.Vs Sigismund (Sparring Match): Kharn was arguably playing around here but Sigismund did get the better of him and Kharn did comment that Sigismund could surpass him in time.Here's a list of his fights in chronological order if you're interested: The only fight he ever lost was a sparring match Vs Sigismund when he was training him and he then went on to kill Sigismund in a fair fight later in the Heresy aside from that he's pretty much schooled everyone else. Kharn actually has the best track record of fights in 40k. Does anyone know if Kharn has actually ever lost a 1v1 dual in lore-40k? I know he's had plenty of fights but I don't recall him losing. ![]()
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